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My Unsolicited Opinion

July 29, 2005


Not being one to shy away from unsolicited opinions - I submit the following comments with my sincere thanks to the editorial staff at Crotonblog. The post on July 28, 2005 is excellent, well-thought out and filled with reason and sanity as we continue to wrestle with the on-going issues and decisions embroiled in the Metro Enviro saga.

The article clearly outlines the problems faced from the early 1960's to the advent of Metro Enviro LLC in 1998 and on-going today with Allied Waste.

In my humble opinion, there is no way even after protracted lawsuits and tremendous amounts of taxpayers money being spent to enforce closure of this or some other type of even more undesirable operations, that the village can come out ahead. It will only be through reasonable negotiation and not enormously costly and protracted lawsuits.

I take no pleasure, personally, in thinking of the pain the new administration will have to endure as they wrestle with these upcoming solutions. I know only too well the sleepless nights they'll put in before this is over. This village is dear to all of us and we need to work together to protect its present and future.

I sincerely and publicly extend my prayers and very best wishes for the new board to succeed. Thank you Crotonblog!

-- Georgianna Grant, Ex-Trustee

On August 3, 2005 9:08 AM, dors said:

Phantom, time to chill! “What makes you think we don’t know who you are?” I laughed out loud at the “…we…”. Take a breath, step away from your computer, and go outside for a walk. Using words like ‘dummies’ shows readers how limited, unintelligent, and immature you are. Put some substance, or at the very least some facts, into your writing and you’ll be more believable. Until then you’re laughable and uninteresting.

On August 2, 2005 5:24 PM, Phantom said:

What makes you think we don’t know who you are? You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out. At least the anti Metro people have the courage to go to the podium and voice their concerns at village board meetings, which is more than we can say for you people. You don’t have the guts to get up to the podium and say anything, you go to meetings and you just sit there, like a bunch of dummies. But you sure can be vocal as long as you think no one knows who you are. Have you ever watched the Wizard of Oz? There’s a character called the “Cowardly Lion”, which you may be familiar with. And another character called “The Wizard” who turns out to be a big phony, remember him?

“Be careful what you wish for.”

On August 2, 2005 4:02 PM, Mrs. Smith said:

And while we are at it deepsix50, why don’t you keep your insinuations to yourself too. ” I have no doubt that Allied monitors this blog. It is a very common practice.” that means they read your comments too!! And does it ever occur to you that there are hundreds of people in this village who don’t even know what Metro Enviro is let alone where it is, and that there are similarly people who are very grateful for all the good the previous board members did for this village.

I know members of the former board and I know how hard they worked with lawyers and under some of the most negative attacks from people who made the same insinuations you do. Just because you don’t know who we are does not mean that we are uninvolved in a situation and cannot have opposing opinions. For people like you and phantom to keep trying to impugn the characters of anyone who disagrees with you is tiresome, and frankly, quite boring. go do some research about what will happen of the STB grants the new entity a permit and then use your considerable negative thinking to come up with ways to try to stop that.

Leave people who volunteer their time for the good of this village alone.

On August 2, 2005 12:50 PM, deepsix50 said:

Thank you Ms. Barua. As for “Mrs. Smith”, please stop categorizing everyone who posts here as Cudiquest et al. Not everybody knows everybody. This constant guessing of who posts here is tiresome and frightening. Everytime I think about posting here, I find one of those kind of comments. It just turns off so many people from this blog. I also know for a fact that this blog has “outed” someone who has NEVER posted here and they had a terrible problem with a neighbor because of it. Please stop.

Did it never occur to you that there are hundreds of people here who are gratfeul to these people who have fought Metro Enviro? You don’t know a tenth of what they have been put through but I made it my business to find out. These are courageous men and women who take BIG risks. Do you really believe we can control this company when the fBI can’t do it for very long?

Moving along, Ms Barua’s analysis is exactly correct. Everyone should also be aware that a friend indicates there have been people monitioring this situation for months in Ohio and here where this company has big problems. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

While we are at it, how about getting some of our ex-officials to stop saying things they shouldn’t. Just because they are no longer trustees doesn’t mean they don’t still have responsibilities. I have no doubt that Allied monitors this blog. It is a very common practice.

On August 2, 2005 10:47 AM, Pat Barua said:

Mrs. Smith,

It is not clear at all that the better alternative would have been to enter a deal with Metro Enviro last year — for starters, we don’t know whether we can prevent Northeast Interchange Railway LLC from operating here and how much it will cost, and until we have a better picture on that, we should hold off making judgments.

It’s also not clear whether we could have prevented Metro Enviro from doing exactly what it is doing now (selling its assets) even if we had entered the deal — and the assets are worth more to an entity that can operate a C&D facility without state and local regulation than they are to one that can’t.

I can see a scenario where the Village’s nonrenewal of Metro Enviro’s permit and decision to not settle despite significant financial incentives to do so, as well as the change to the zoning law to prevent future waste facilities, holds us in good stead for the right thing to happen here, whereas if we had settled with Metro Enviro we would not have had good grounds to oppose Northeast.

Again, I urge anyone interested to focus on the higher priority of preventing Northeast from operating here rather than blaming any Croton residents for the totally self-interested and anti-Croton tactics of Metro Enviro, Greentree & Northeast.

On August 2, 2005 8:56 AM, Mrs. Smith said:

Phantom/cudaquest/Rooney et al

You are treading on very dangerous and slanderous ground here - where is your evidence for makinf such dangerous and outragous statements?

Seems like that small group of loud complainers who insisted everyong listen to them, not the advice of lawyers, have put the village in a worse situation than we were ever in when the village had control over the situation. Let’s see what their advice to Schmidt, Brennan, Steinberg is now.

This is a much more serious situation where the village will essentially lose all control over anything that happens at that site and more than ever this community needs to rally together and forget the hateful attacks on good people to do whatever is possible to salvage this situation.

On August 1, 2005 10:48 PM, Phantom said:

“Payman” asks “why is it you have such disdain and utter hate for the Metro Enviro facility?” I might ask the opposite -Why do you love it so - what is there to love - it’s a C&D facility, for God’s sake, ugly trucks and rail cars filled with waste and debris. What is so wonderful about this plant that you would practically prostrate yourself to keep it here? Aside from one small fine we collected, all we have ever received from this plant is around $20,000 a year in taxes, even though they make millions of dollars a year - many residents pay more than that.

“Devil’s Advocate” says - “Listen to my advice before it is too late!” Listen to who? He doesn’t have the courage to tell us who he is and then he asks us to listen to him? Please, give us a break!

These are the same people who claim to be so “green”, tell us to “luv Croton” over and over, the “village in a park”, yet never mention the trucks filled with other people’s’ debris rolling through our village streets hour after hour, day after day, bringing all kinds of harmful ingredients into our village - they conveniently overlook all that is going on with Metro Enviro. Why? What is going on here? Do they really think if they tell us to luv croton enough, we’ll forget about Metro?

There’s something more going on here - “me thinks thou dost protest too much”! Most people just assume it’s “money under the table” - a likely assumption, what else could it be? But it has become obvious that there’s more to it than that. Something happened way back in 1996 when this whole thing came down, some kind of deal was made with some “very important people”, a deal that is in jeapordy of being exposed if this plant ever closes, so you can’t let that happen, can you? Admit it, you’re protecting someone, aren’t you? I wonder who that could be. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

On July 30, 2005 10:26 AM, poppins said:

Thank you God and Devil’s Advocate

We shouldn’t be mincing words here. We do need to step up to the plate to make the tough decision to work with Metro-Envro (the devil ?), the courts (the judges ?), the attorneys (the mediators ?) and the people of Croton (the jury?). As so well stated in posts of the last few days, we need to come together again and keep the waves away from our collective nostrils or we’re going to drown! It’s becoming more and more obvious that win, lose or draw in the courts, the village taxpayers are going to bear the burden of millions of dollars in fees and/or settlements.

On July 30, 2005 9:59 AM, dors said:

deepsix50, how you could surmise that “x-trustees believe they are in charge” after reading Georgianna Grant’s entry escapes me. It was probably the closing line, “I sincerely and publicly extend my prayers and very best wishes for the new board to succeed”. She does sound like a pushy broad, doesn’t she.

Also, you must been on to something big concerning the relationship between former board members and ME! All very suspect and obviously they were on the take. Although, be careful what you wish for. Mayor Schmidt, being a former trustee himself, voted to grant ME permits five times in his time on the board. But I suppose you feel only Grant/Elliot/Weigman were on the take and not Schmidt. Keep up your investigation and let me know how it turns out. Maybe you should call yourself Deep Throat instead of deepsix.

On July 29, 2005 9:50 AM, weewill said:

Very good idea deepsix50. It is time for the “authorities to march in and take a good hard look ….. “.

I’m sure former Mayor Elliott and former Trustee Grant, Rick Herbek, Seymour Waldman and Mike Gerrard would welcome such a march. It would surely put an end to the constant rude and insulting accusations of a very few people. What a pleasant relief that would be. But as always, deepsix50, be careful what you wish for. We just might find out that some of the most vocal opponents are on the take from waste hauling competitors. Now wouldn’t that be a twist?

On July 29, 2005 9:30 AM, SSmith said:

hey Deepsix50 (This reader was BANNED from Crotonblog for comment spamming on 12/06/05, see “A Penal Process Known as Banishment… Explained”) (or maria or rooney, it sounds like), your last couple of posts have added nothing to a rational two sided discussion of the issue of metro envrio. you keep reciting the same old same old. how about a solution to the problem instead of just re-hashing what the problem is?

why is it that anyone who has a thought that does not match yours is automatically dubbed to be someone from the old board or someone under their thumb? there are lots of smart, well educated, well travelled, and well informed people in the village who know no one on the board personally, me included, and take offense to your immature rantings that we speak for them. please stop this silliness, it is tired indeed.

as for the editorial of the blog posted yesterday, i thought it was a well written piece. it took no sides; but rather laid out a scenario of where we are now…stay and fight and spend a lot more money the village does not have, realistically, in its coffers or settle and save the village from possible bankruptcy and get a closely monitored state-of-the-art facility in town that brings in much needed revenue. the daily operations of the major metro north rail yard, just adjacent to the ME site, pollute our village’s air far more than metro enviro.

don’t you see that a village with a budget of $13 Million is not in a very strong position to engage in a very costly and protracted legal battle with an entity it has already spent well over $500,000 fighting AND IT’S STILL OPEN!!! denial of their permit renewal will almost surely trigger the $50 Million lawsuit to proceed, the outcome of which is 50/50 at best. you get better odds in vegas, for pete’s sake!!

it is time for you and your minions to grow up. please learn to listen to both sides before you continue to drop innuendos about people being underhandedly influenced and/or paid off and people not getting your point. we get your point, in fact we are tired of it. now listen for once in your life, you might surprise yourself and actually learn something.

On July 29, 2005 8:55 AM, deepsix50 said:

Thank you Maria. It is very clear that x-officials still somehow believe they are in charge despite having been un-elected. That those who got us into this mess in the first place continue to dispense their sage advice is pure chutzpah and the defense of Metro on this blog over and over and over and over again is very suspicious. People obviously didn’t buy into it otherwise Mayor Schmidt would not have won by over 140 votes. That’s a lot for a little village.

While we’re at it, does anyone out there really believe that so much of what is posted here in ME’s defense isn’t contrived? The self congratulatory notes are becoming painful as well.

I used to like reading this blog. After yesterday’s editorial, I can’t say I’ll be around much anymore. My friends are disgusted too.

The editorial couldn’t even bother to check its facts and claimed that ME was in compliance with its permit when it hasn’t been. This was reported in the Gaztte and is on the village website. EVEN I knew this.

Why is it that at every turn in the road so far and even with a federal investigation, there has been an official who says that we must settle instead. It’s all very strange. I hate to say this but maybe its time for the authorities to march into Croton and take a good hard look at what has been going on here for years.



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